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DarksideZero · Post by **DarksideZero** » Thu May 22, 2003 9:39 pm

well that set up you got there isn't even anarchy its still got goverment and rules and laws, just on much smaller more localized level, anarchy is really just a temporary transition you take out all the rules everything goes to hell and a new system will form

why does everything go to hell you ask simple:
introducing exibit A: the asshole

you take away the rules and I'm gonna find myself a shotgun blow the head off the nearest person laugh for a while yadda yadda yadda
so choas will prevail I personally garuntee it the weak die strong survive and soon the strong setup a system of order, a law about killing people is probably first order of buisness

anyway lets asume the system forms exactly as You say it will
we got a bunch of little city states each independently run, (sounds a lot like the systems you see in post apocalyptic movies only we didn't nessicarily have an apocalypse and things are a little more prosperus)

neaboring "units" may notice that they each produce different things and that the other guys stuff would be useful and they talk and set up trade, trade system course has to have a set of rules to manage it set up how much of this product is worth how much of that product, so on so forth eventually this evolves into a monetary system where we only need one object to express value of everything and anything

anyway back to the point see this peacefull little world does still have my friend the assholeand instead of trading he decides well I'll just take over can't be that hard and maybe the defending populace wins peaceful coexistence goes on see the problem is we still have the asshole and eventually he's gonna win and well he just doubled his land, resources and got a larger population too, if he plays his cards right and treats his new people right well he just got a lot more powerful than the next micro country, so whats to stop him he grabs the next chunk of people and the next, takes over with nothing to stop him that is until the people either band together and stop him or he comes across some other asshole doing the same thing. so either they start a war or find weaker groups to take over.

eventually all you have is a bunch of waring country's some the aggresors some just trying to hold on to what they got. so the strong win the weak die still, were just talking goverments instead of individuals now

see the system described sounds a lot like how the world acually did work at one time instead of countrys we had family units, but those family units still had rules and rules are just another name for law.
and I'd say the people of the world keep to a system more or less what you descibed for a fuggin long time. but then there was europe see thats where the asshole that won was born this time around and well he pretty much jacked everyone else and here we are today

so its a nice dream but theres always a new asshole and eventually some day he comes by and pop here we are

MR.STRIKER · Post by **MR.STRIKER** » Mon May 26, 2003 3:04 am

This is another post I'm going to stay out of!

MCmasters_girl · Post by **MCmasters_girl** » Mon May 26, 2003 2:29 pm

If we had anarchy then we would be the same as the people in Afghanistan and I don't know about anyone else but I am about as pro- government as you can get! Go Bush!!!

BigGunna · Post by **BigGunna** » Mon May 26, 2003 8:01 pm

GO 2004 ELECTIONS!!!!!!

Post by **Buzzman25** » Mon May 26, 2003 8:50 pm

MCmasters_girl wrote:If we had anarchy then we would be the same as the people in Afghanistan and I don't know about anyone else but I am about as pro- government as you can get! Go Bush!!!

At first I didn't get the coloring...that is until I noticed the blue. Gotta love how you got that Red, White, and Blue in there.

RoRo · Post by **RoRo** » Mon May 26, 2003 11:16 pm

Yeah, I think i'm gonna have to agree with Buzzman and DarksideZero on this one...we'll never be at a place where there can be no government force because like Darkside said..there will always be that one who decides he wants control. The only way a non-governed society/world would work is if people weren't governed by themselves and their selfish desires which more often than not prevail in one form or another...and just one person, like I said, would have to set it off. We have rules, etc. because we know that without them, we wouldn't be able to trust our fellow man. Those rules establish the trust we have that others are unable to come over to our house or whatever and harm us and our families without consequences. Our human nature brings destruction, therefore we need rules to control what we are inately capable of. Otherwise there would be no world we live in...it would be nothing...life would cease to exist if we as a human population were left lawless. I really like the example of what a lawless society would be like in the book "Lord of the Flies" Those were young boys mostly, who were put to the test and basically prooved that by nature we are destructive.
Well, I gues that's by 2cents on the issue....

dementiastar · Post by **dementiastar** » Tue May 27, 2003 9:30 am

u know, it's funny, i haven't posted on this thing in about a week or more, and the original point was for you guys to check out a site i posted, just so you can realize what your disilliusions are keeping you from really seeing, rather than the padded, cusiony protective lies of corporate america and the US government. Maybe I am the only "anarchist" (by stereotype) on this board, but at least i have the courage to stand up for what i believe in, even if i am one voice.
And i don't let pro-government versus anti-establishmentarianism come in the way between me and my "friends", or at least the people i co-exist with.
But no one is gonna change my mind as to how i feel, b/c super organized government makes no sense to me, it restricts freedom, and you have to live by some other moron's rules, even if they don't help you.
I mean, crap, I don't remember which state it is, but i know in one of the new england states has a law that prohibits whaling at 200 yards from your vehicle!
How much sense does that make?? and remeber this is all US government employed dorks that come up with this stuff!
Neeless to say, I'm not gonna go off on some logical essy simply b/c of the amount of meds i'm on at the moment. (percocet, vicodin) and i dun wanna put myself at the risk of looking like an utter douche bag!

MCmasters_girl · Post by **MCmasters_girl** » Tue May 27, 2003 10:04 am

There is also a law in California that states that there has to be some walking 15 ft in front of your car holding a lantern (from before there were headlights) . When a law is made it can't be taken back, they just make another law to cancel it out, or ignore it all together. I realize that in this country we have to follow alot and i mean ALOT of rules, but with out them , this country would be a total Sh*t hole. And all those little kids that listen to Bad Religion and NO FX and get the retard idea that this country isn't free just realize that if we weren't free, we would have people walking around killing those who spoke their mind. I would also like to point out that if we weren't free women would not be allowed to vote, speek their mind, post on this forum, or go out in public unescorted and we would have to wear something that covers our whole body, so you think it's hot now, try wearing a Burka all summer long. We are free , true you can't go around and kill someone you don't like, but that would be taking their freedom. So get over it, the government is here to stay and both Bush and Travis have my vote . go USA!!! :usa:

RoRo · Post by **RoRo** » Tue May 27, 2003 12:36 pm

MCmasters_girl wrote:There is also a law in California that states that there has to be some walking 15 ft in front of your car holding a lantern (from before there were headlights) . When a law is made it can't be taken back, they just make another law to cancel it out, or ignore it all together. I realize that in this country we have to follow alot and i mean ALOT of rules, but with out them , this country would be a total Sh*t hole. And all those little kids that listen to Bad Religion and NO FX and get the retard idea that this country isn't free just realize that if we weren't free, we would have people walking around killing those who spoke their mind. I would also like to point out that if we weren't free women would not be allowed to vote, speek their mind, post on this forum, or go out in public unescorted and we would have to wear something that covers our whole body, so you think it's hot now, try wearing a Burka all summer long. We are free , true you can't go around and kill someone you don't like, but that would be taking their freedom. So get over it, the government is here to stay and both Bush and Travis have my vote . go USA!!! :usa:

I totally agree with MCmasters_girl. We have a lot of freedom in this country...freedom to walk around outside without fear of someone killing you or sealing everything you own. Laws establish freedom. The society you're talking about is completely egotistical where everyone does everything based on what they thought was right or wrong, but with no laws or rules to establish what is right and wong...how would you make a society? It would be a battle of survival of the fittest basically and wouldn't amount to much except bloodshed, loss of life and destruction.
It's cool though that you are able to stand alone with your opinions and stuff. Not everyone can these days. I just hope that doesn't lead you to harden your heart to going against all every body says. Yeah, there are wierd opinions out there, and yeah our government isn't the best, but we have to work with what we got and do our best to make it better!

dementiastar · Post by **dementiastar** » Tue May 27, 2003 3:26 pm

again, over come your fear of having the truth slapped in your face and check out the site, b/c, afterall, that was the point of my original post.
so whilst i have the guts to stand up fro something i belive in, i find it humorous that all of you have to gang up against me to make one simple point that i think was made very clear in the first response:
We Have American Pride, And Everyone Who Dares Stand Up Against Us Shall PERISH!
Listen to yourselves! You have this sole Us vs. Them attitude.
maybe it's b/c none of you live in the south, but out here the freedom you speak of is false. There are unspoken things that occur:
~No one wants to wait on a black party in a resturaunt
~the CONFEDERATE flag is popular (get over it you LOST)
~If you're not rich and white, you're NO BODY!
I said a few simple words, stating my opinion and position as to where I stand in regards to the government, and at least 10 of you have jumped down my throat trying to prove that you're right! Talk about USA being the frikkin bully!

And as for the comment on bad religion and NoFX:
Bad religion is a band that formed in the late 80's at the climax of the original punk revolution, which formed after the Viet Nam war when all of these kids found out that Corporate america sugar coated what was really going on over there, and the kids got pissed!
(The UK punks had reason to bitch about poverty, American punks had reason to bitch about the government)
So before you bash on the punk bands, realize that (unless established within the last 6 years) they have a REASON to be pissed!

MCmasters_girl · Post by **MCmasters_girl** » Tue May 27, 2003 5:37 pm

There are unspoken things that occur:
~No one wants to wait on a black party in a resturaunt
~the CONFEDERATE flag is popular (get over it you LOST)
~If you're not rich and white, you're NO BODY!

Couple problems here:
I have never judged anyone based on their color or religious beliefs , and I have found that African Americans (pc) are more racist than most white people. But I waited on some of the biggest jerks on the planet and still smiled and dealt with and didn't spit in their food.
--It's a free country sport what ever flag you want, just don't mess with the stars and stripes!
-- Everyone is important to someone, even if it's only their family, I don't think there is a person that can say that if they died no one would care. A person's family will always care about them even if they don't say it.

By the way if this country weren't free, the medication that you are currently on, you would not have them. In an anarchy society like you want, some one would have killed you for being weak, in that kind of society only the strong, heathly, and crazy survive.
If you want anarchy then I would suggest stocking up on supplies, guns, ammo and building a shelter in the woods, and learn how to use those guns cause in anarchy you will need it.

dementiastar · Post by **dementiastar** » Tue May 27, 2003 5:53 pm

i like how you can't defend against something i said that you know is true.
and anarchy, by dictionary, simply means a Lawless society, no where in it do the words "chaos, killing, etc" come to take part.

And you don't live in the south, do you

culturally, so cali is MUCH different than florida.
And what makes you think i wouldn't have my meds? I paid for them, not the government. Doctors would still exist.
The biggest problem, is that everyone has major stereo types.
And screw PC terms! people sound like tree humpin hippies. "Oh, she's not a stuardess, she's a flight attendant.
grin, bare it, and realize that the purpose of my post was not to preach anarchy. So quit trynna tell me I'm wrong b/c when you do that, you've essentially contradicted everything you just preached about freedom.
As I said before, this was never intended as a debate, but if i feel the need to defend myself and my beliefs then I will.
Don't read into sh*t, and take this as my final opinion on this topic, b/c you're all acting as though you're way is supreme.
My intent was to share, to open up and get to know where another member stands on this board as far as lifestyle (referring to myself), but i'm sadly appalled by all of your close-mindedness. Untill the last couple of posts, i placed no reference to any one person that has replied her, but quite frankly, you have all gotten dumb about this.

I guess you're all right, aren't you?

MCmasters_girl · Post by **MCmasters_girl** » Tue May 27, 2003 5:58 pm

I didn't say you were wrong just ignorant.

DarksideZero · Post by **DarksideZero** » Tue May 27, 2003 9:05 pm

/sigh maybe you wern't listening no anarchy doesn't mean chaos but fact is in an anarchy system there will be chaos, why cause assholes like me no longer have anything stoping me from haveing a grand old bloody mess of a good time (if theres no rules I can kill without reprocusionss)
Anarchy doesn't mean chaos but it sure as hell causes chaos

and the south please florida ain't the south sure its south geografically but it ain't "the South" I've lived in South Carolina
it don't get much more "the south" than that, its leagal to beat your spouse on the steps of a goverment building there, and age of consent is 14, I've lived in new york too, and there really isn't that much of a cultuaral gap.

besides your not even an anarchist, the points you made mach up to the old Ideals of the US Republican Party, stop making laws and let everything be run on a local level, as oposed to the old ideals of the Democrats for a single, unified federal goverment. (they compromised and we got our system of goverment where some things are run at a city level, some at county, some at state, and some at federal)

now fact the goverment in this country does have problems and is pretty fucked up, but
also fact nothing anyone has ever been able to come up with has ever worked anywhere near as fucking good as it does

also its a predidictable reaction to some things said considering
that of the member of this board we have a lot of military
Mike is ex Navy
Travis just enlisted in the Air force
I'm in the Navy
and Dedi's husband is a Marine

BigGunna · Post by **BigGunna** » Wed May 28, 2003 2:00 am

DarksideZero wrote: also its a predidictable reaction to some things said considering
that of the member of this board we have a lot of military
Mike is ex Navy
Travis just enlisted in the Air force
I'm in the Navy
and Dedi's husband is a Marine

Eric doesn't give a damn as long as you don't mess with his stack.

Post your political affiliation here... I'm sure someone will argue with you